Don't miss out on this exclusive, in-depth conversation between two black belt ADCC veterans that was recorded after some solid training. Marcelo recounts some of the weaknesses he found in his 2011 fight with Australian middleweight, Dave Hart and he tries to help him fix his mistakes to become an even better grappler. Marcelo and Dave discuss the importance of several elements regarding the fight for grips during a match and much is revealed in the way of understanding the strategies in a champion's mindset. After a friendly roll, Marcelo and David discuss a myriad of insightful gems and knowledge pertaining to improving one another since their last fight against one another. They talk about training philosophies, submission paths, effective teaching, and building momentum through chaining small positional victories. At the highest level, matches are won and lost over the simplest of battles; in particular, most victories and defeats can be traced back to a very subtle aspect of jiu-jitsu: Hand-Fighting.